Muradiye complex. I oppose changing the title from Sultan to Hatun. WebDeaths in June 2017 passed! In a play entitled The Holy League, Titian appears on stage at the Venetian Senate, and stating that he has just come from visiting the Sultan, displays his painting of Sultana Rossa or Roxelana. [36] In Jerusalem she established the Haseki Sultan Imaret in 1552, a public soup kitchen to feed the poor,[37] which was said to have fed at least 500 people twice a day. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. Yes, it was and the series shouldve put more emphasis on Valide Sultanas criticism of her behaviour. Hurrem and Mahidevran really did fight, but Therefore they can't be used. Scholars have wondered if Hurrem's alliance with Mihrimah Sultan and Rstem Pasha helped secure the throne for one of Hurrem's sons. I asked a simple question and you failed to answer because you cant. I badly need a reliable source to back either claim. Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. Also, a Sultana was a woman in Sultan's family, being a mother of heir apparent living in the Harem at the same time the title Haseki was used for Hurrem, it can be asserted that she was also called Sultana, due to the fact that in her time (when Hurrem came along) Sultana title was already started being used for royal consorts regardless if they were haseki or not, see example of Mahfiruz Hatice Sultan, who was niether haseki nor Valide. He was very intelligent and had a strong politic education. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. [33] It is also rumored that Hurrem Sultan conspired against Mustafa with the help of her daughter and son-in-law Rustem Pasha; they wanted to portray Mustafa as a traitor who secretly contacted the Shah of Iran. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." I request moderators to change the title of this page to "Mahidevran" only and if they find it pertinent as well, to retain the speculations in a subtopic within the page. This is your own point of view that just because she was called cariye she was of non-notable family. The death of television icon Betty White received a lot of attention in popular culture. Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. Hello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. Depriving someone of their last name or title for your own satisfaction is NOT just, it's highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. This King (Sultan) did not have many successors left by 1511, for his only surviving son was Prince Sulieman (who later became Suleiman the Magnificent). Despite Mahidevrans warnings, he stayed in close contact with the other princes. [45] She has inspired paintings, musical works (including Joseph Haydn's Symphony No. WebAccording to some reports he died of natural causes, while others say that Mahidevran, the mother of Sehzade Mustafa gave the order to kill Sehzade Mehmet because he could take She's only ever referred to as Mahidevran Khatun or Hatun in sources, see The Imperial Harem, pages 55, 61 and 367. Adding something as controversial as ""she was a slave"" as can be seen here would only draw unnecessary attention of the fans and/or may or may not be alleged descendants, as your content was more like a statement rather than a neutral point of view. Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Crown. Just Skip that Cariye part as everyone knows even the princesses who were lawfully wedded to Sultans of Ottoman dynasty, Shah Jehans of Mughal emperors and Sheikhs of Arab, were all considered slave to their husbands. She is called "Mahidevran Hatun Valide Sultan Mustafa" which is translated as "Empress Mahidevran mother of Prince Mustafa". Never before had a former slave been elevated to the status of the sultan's lawful spouse, a development which astonished observers in the palace and in the city. Who were her parents? Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. [33] Cihangir, Hurrem's youngest child, allegedly died of grief a few months after the news of his half-brother's murder. Webmahidevran. Hurrem has usually been held at least partly responsible for the intrigues in nominating a successor. Suleiman started to see him as a great danger to his rule. Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. We can ask her! A short woman wearing expensive clothes and jewelry appears Hurrem: Agha? Where are we? (She looks closer at my face, noticing the When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). Not all Haseki married the Sultan, if Hasekis can be called Sultana without marrying the Sultan so can the Bas Kadins. And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. WebMihrimah Sultan (1522 - January 25, 1578) was the daughter of the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent and his wife Hrrem Sultan. Hurrem Sultan makes plans to get rid of ehzade Mustafa and his mother Mahidevran Sultan as she sees them as a threat for the throne. Mahidevran was: theoretically, the daughter of a hatun, a birinci kadin, but never a sultana: she didn't legally marry Suleyman. Page contents not supported in other languages. Mahidevran and Suleiman had five children -- three sons and two daughters. Acting on Hurrem Sultan's orders, Rustem Pasha had engraved Mustafa's seal and sent a letter seemingly written from his mouth to Shah Tahmasb I, and then sent Shah's response to Suleiman. Glbahar (given name) 1500s births. On the case of Roxelana, it was a nickname she was given that didn't elevate or lowered her status and wasn't a direct reflection of Ottoman culture but more of the influence she had on history. For the record, you still failed to answer my question, rephrasing; why in some theatre plays she's the only Hatun ranked consort who is erroneously addressed like Sultana? Please consider all sources available. Hurrem eventually achieved power, influencing the politics of the Ottoman Empire. In attempting to avoid the execution of her sons, Hurrem used her influence to eliminate those who supported Mustafa's accession to the throne. The motion that all these history books are dramatized or contain anachronism can't be true. Breaking Ottoman tradition, he married Hurrem, making her his legal wife. [16]:131 After Hrrem resided at Topkap it became known as the New Palace (saray- jedid).[28]. And what was her life like before she met Suleiman?For a long time, little was known about Mahidevran Sultan. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Your yet another personal comment attack proves that it's not the History you're worried about but your own opinion. Please see meaning of "Birinci Kadin" in whatever Ottoman Dictionary you like. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. I already gave you all evidence, but you insist on calling her a sultana because you "assume" Birinci Kadin and Sultan mean the same: they are applied to concubine and legal wife accordingly and therefore don't mean the same. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mahidevran Hatun (174192522)? In 1521, Mustafa became chief prince due to his half-brothers deaths. That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. You are not helping in maintaining the neutrality, rather imposing your opinions extracted from your sources. Hatun is not a Title at all. There are reasons to believe that these two letters were more than just diplomatic gestures, and that Suleiman's references to brotherly or fatherly feelings were not a mere tribute to political expediency. Peirce, Leslie (2017). It was the first complex constructed in Istanbul by Mimar Sinan in his new position as the chief imperial architect. Invalid memorial. Hurrem's contemporaries describe her as a woman who was strikingly good-looking, and different from everybody else because of her red hair. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. In her first short letter to Sigismund II, Hurrem expresses her highest joy and congratulations to the new king on the occasion of his ascension to the Polish throne after the death of his father Sigismund I the Old in 1548. Birinci Kadin was used for wives only, Brinici Kadin was not used for concubines or ordinary consorts, Birinci Kadin meant First Wife/Senior Consort. Please be fair. Even so, a Sultan was NOT allowed to have more than 4 Kadins at a time (Brinci Kadin, Ba Kadn or Sultan Kadin was the first ranking wife), but can have as much concubines as he liked. Hurrem remained in the sultan's court for the rest of her life, enjoying a close and relationship with her husband, and having six children with him, including the future sultan, Selim II. Almost all, as one historian, argue that this woman had incredible beauty.Many historians write that she was a Circassian. In 1543, right after the sudden death of Prince Mehmet, the womens war started upagain. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2: Two of your sources are at stake (Colin Iber's and Peirce's), please read page 136 of Colin's book, this gives definition of Slave in general term, so calling any member of Sultan's family a slave does not necessarily makes them a slave by origin, and P simply used a text from Alberi, P herself only called M a concubine. Unless we have another source which gives us the sketch of positions of Sultan's consorts in Harem, the WEB SITE can be cited, because there is no mentioning of consort's positions and their status in their master's harem in Leslie's book. According to reports of theVenetian ambassador, Mustafa was the whole joy in his mothers life, and Mahidevran was a highly effective figure in her sons court. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. His wife Kay announced via Facebook: I am sorry to make a [16]:132, Many years later, towards the end of Suleiman's long reign, the rivalry between his sons became evident. [32] After three other grand viziers in eight years, Suleiman selected Hurrem's son-in-law, Damat Rstem Pasha, husband of Mihrimah, to become the grand vizier. Manisa was the most important province, and according to the tradition, only the favourite prince could be appointed there. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? That's very funny!!! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It is explicitly explained that the title "Haseki Sultan" was created when Hrrem married Suleyman. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. He was a talented soldier from his childhood. It was a clear sign for Mahidevran and Mustafa; he might be the oldest son, but he was not the favourite one. 'the Ruthenian one'; c. 1500 15 April 1558), also known as Hurrem Sultan (Turkish pronunciation:[hym sutan], Ottoman Turkish: , romanized:urrem Suln, Modern Turkish: Hrrem Sultan), was the chief consort and legal wife of the Ottoman sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. In this case, Suleiman not only broke the old custom, but began a new tradition for the future Ottoman sultans: To marry in a formal ceremony and to give their consorts significant influence on the court, especially in matters of succession. I began this website in 2013 because I wanted to share these women's amazing stories. Her influence with Suleiman made her one of the most powerful women in Ottoman history and in the world at that time. [20] After the death of Mustafa, Mahidevran lost her status in the palace as the mother of the heir apparent and moved to Bursa. If you are, however, still convinced that only Peirce's book is authentic source for the Ottomans, try putting this "concubinage" information in Ottoman Empire in details as explained by Leslie and see the response of Turks and Ottoman followers by yourself. Minna Rozen: A History of the Jewish Community in Istanbul, The Formative Years, 1453 1566 (2002). Also, she became an important symbol of how ottoman consorts never had a permanent position in Harem and politics as it was only after Mahidevran with whom the Ottoman started respecting their royal consorts, it is obvious, that when Hurrem Sultan was given such elevation the same time the mother of heir apparent was alive and living in the Harem, that Mahidevran was also considered as Sultan's family member and hence the title. For Ukrainian language novels, see Osyp Nazaruk (1930) (English translation is available). -Le temps viendra (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Clear this matter Le temps Viendra Khondoker Jobair (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mentioned her survival possible after Hurrem a death is not sound real. You completely twisted the question and answered what I didn't ask. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. Timaru, 7910 After the death of Suleiman's other sons and his ascension to the throne in 1520 she acquired the rank of mother of the Sultan's eldest son. Mahidevran's name ( Turkish pronunciation: [mahidevan], Persian: ) means "one who is always beautiful", "one whose beauty never fades" or "beauty of the times" in Persian. In Albenian Glbahar means Rosne Pravnere. She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Excuse me one more time. [22] Nurbanu died in December 1583. Circassian or Albanian? 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Also, let's not forget that many of those artistic/theatrical depictions are based on rumors and fictitious creations for the sake of entertainment. Former lover of Sultan Suleiman.But who was she before? After her brother Sari Selim's Images of the chief consort emphasized her beauty and wealth, and she is almost always depicted with elaborate headwear. [8] [9] Though Hurrem was more favored, Mahidevran was still a wife and mother of heir apparent. Learn how your comment data is processed. Again, it's just my opinion I still oppose the change of title. In fact, Suleiman was afraid of his eldest sons power. In the 20112014 TV series Muhteem Yzyl, Hurrem Sultan is portrayed by Turkish-German actress Meryem Uzerli from seasons one to three. According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a man surnamed Lisovski, who was an Orthodox priest of Ruthenian origin. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. The letters also suggest Hurrem's strong desire to establish personal contact with the king. In this article the sentence about Mahidevran's origin had been changed several times. Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.124.138 (talk) 14:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], SO many false claimed about Mahidevran and a daughter of Sleyman , who called Raziye. If you must, then make the title read as "Mahidevran" only. She had been a servant in the household of Hanerli Fatma Sultan, daughter of ehzade Mahmud, son of Sultan Bayezid II. WebAnd Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of You did not saw that did you? Why does she have sultan next to her name? [i][11], Shaykh Qutb al-Din al-Nahrawali, a Meccan religious figure, who visited Istanbul in late 1557, noted in his memoirs that Hurrem Sultan was of Ruthenian origin. Imber, Colin (2002). This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. Like mentioned before, popular culture adopts from what has happened in the past. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. Mahidevran - The overshadowed Chief Consort - History of Royal Public soup kitchen in Makkah. [ 11 ] -- three sons two! 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